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Metapower (Complete Psionic, p63) is a feat that allows you to modify a psionic power you know so that it is always affected by a metapsionic feat you know every time you manifest it. You get a 2pp discount on the metapsionic cost, minimum 0. Note that only metapsionic cost is affected.

Linked Power (Complete Psionic, p62-3) lets you pay for the cost of two powers this round. The first power activates this round, the second power activates next round. The cost of the second power is converted into a metapsionic cost, so you have to keep the total cost of the two powers below your max power points per power cap.

If a 20th level character selected a 5th level power (9 power points) to be modified by the Metapower feat choosing the Linked Power feat, then manifested the same modified power again as the link (for 7 power points due to the 2pp metapsionic discount)... will the second power also trigger the link again for a third linked power costing 4pp or less?

Or does the Metapower discount apply a second time to the third power, allowing up to 6pp to be spent on the third power?

And if this works, when does the third power activate?

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  • \$\begingroup\$ Wouldn't you need two psionic focuses to manifest two linked_power'ed powers? \$\endgroup\$ Commented Nov 7 at 21:40
  • \$\begingroup\$ @annoyingimp You can get that, though, with e.g. Psicrystal Containment. \$\endgroup\$ Commented Nov 7 at 22:27
  • \$\begingroup\$ @annoyingimp Ardent's Dominant Ideal ACF would also allow one to ignore expending focus entirely for a limited number of powers. \$\endgroup\$ Commented Nov 8 at 3:08

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“Yes,” “impossible to say,” and “3rd round”

We can solidly answer your first and third questions.

The second, though, cannot be answered.

“Yes,” you can—must?—choose a third power to manifest

Yes, the second power is still modified by Linked Power, and thus you are allowed—or, perhaps strictly speaking, required—to choose a third power to manifest. Quite simply, nothing says you can’t or don’t do this—and Metapower basically says “you do.”

Of note, Linked Power also basically says “you do”—nothing about Linked Power’s effect is optional once you’ve chosen to use Linked Power (because that would be nonsensical in the usual case). This means that you might be required to choose a third power to manifest here. That’s basically supposed to be the “downside” to Metapower, and if you really want the Metapower’d power twice, but not any third power, you might be forced to pick something—and that might cost you power points.

“Impossible to say,” because we just don’t have enough to go on

In a situation where you have powers, A and B, and you have the Metapower feat choosing A and the Linked Power feat, a chain of A1A2B with no augmentation has the total cost of A1 be the base cost of A plus the total cost of A2, with a −2 power point discount, and the total cost of A2 is the base cost of A plus the total cost of B, with the same −2 power point discount. The total cost of A2 definitely includes the −2 discount on B, but then when you add the total cost of A2 for the cost of A1, Metapower is trying to add the same discount again.

Can it do that? The argument for “No” is the single-source rule, which prevents an untyped bonus from any single source from being applied repeatedly to something. There are two possible problems with that argument, though:

  • Is this really the same calculation? That is, does the discount appear twice in the calculation of A1’s cost, does A1 “see” the discount that A2 got? Or does A1 just “see” A2’s cost, and not how it got there?

  • Even if A1 does see it, does the single-source rule apply? Are these really “penalties,” or “bonuses” of a sort (even though they’re negative, they’re good things)?

And the answers to both of these are undefined.

“3rd round,” as it’s a round after the Linked Power effect

This part is pretty straightforward: in the A1A2B chain, the initial round sees the A1 manifestation, you manifest A with the A2 manifestation delayed a round. And then on that second round, A2 happens, so you manifest A and delay B by another round. B happens the following round.

Has to be said...

Complete Psionic is a pretty awful book. Metapower and Linked Power are part—along with synchronicity, particularly when used with Metapower and Linked Power—of the triad of the most broken material in the book. Synchronicity didn’t come up in this question, but it should definitely be banned—and even with that banned, Linked Power should probably be banned, too. And even then, Metapower is pretty questionable, just on its own.

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  • \$\begingroup\$ I proposed a possible debunk solution to Synchronicity here: minmaxforum.com/index.php?topic=20518.0;topicseen Would be interested in your feedback, if you have any. Let me know if it's worth a question here in your opinion, if so I'll post it. \$\endgroup\$ Commented Nov 8 at 2:59
  • \$\begingroup\$ @nijineko I know you disagree with my position on Complete Psionic, and have strong objections to my voicing that opinion. That said, the answer is mine, and not yours, and it is inappropriate to abuse your editing privilege in that fashion. Answerers are given a certain latitude to include relevant, related information for the sake of the querent as well as any other readers, and I am exercising mine here. You may downvote if you like. \$\endgroup\$ Commented Nov 8 at 3:22
  • \$\begingroup\$ It is not inappropriate to edit for the purpose of a suggestion, which is what I did. My questions are often edited for improvement, this is no different. Your opinion in this case adds nothing of value and detracts from the quality of your answer. If there is an approved method to edit for suggesting that I'm unaware of, since I rarely attempt to use any tools in this site, please let me know. Also, I remind you that I have rarely approved of your opinionated answers on occasion - when it added a value, but this is a supposed to be a fact based site, unless I'm mistaken? \$\endgroup\$ Commented Nov 8 at 22:30

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