Timeline for If you're gonna talk Politics, you must respect those who disagree
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| Jan 9, 2017 at 18:50 | comment | added | JeffC | @Jefromi Agreed. At some point I have to learn when the other person isn't going to be convinced and stop trying. A former boss taught me... "Make sure that you've been heard and understood. Once that has happened, that's all you can do." | |
| Jan 9, 2017 at 18:42 | comment | added | Cascabel | Maybe I wasn't clear either: this is definitely good stuff about how to have a civil discussion, but since chat is open, you have to be aware that not everyone will have these things in mind, so even if you're being super duper careful, other people may get emotional about it. That is, you have to also exercise judgment about whether it's appropriate to attempt a rational discussion in the first place. | |
| Jan 9, 2017 at 18:35 | comment | added | JeffC | @Jefromi I realize that what I stated was probably not worded the best... my intent was to state that you should make the attempt to provide logic and/or facts (as opposed to insults, etc.). I completely agree with you in that some people don't accept "your" facts as facts. The point here isn't how to win an argument (some can't be "won"), it's how to conduct one civilly. | |
| Jan 9, 2017 at 16:06 | comment | added | Cascabel | Yup, it's doable. I just think it takes way more effort than most people realize, and I've too often seen inconsiderate things said and defended under the guise of reasoned disagreement. | |
| Jan 9, 2017 at 16:03 | comment | added | DVK | @Jefromi - Shog's Election2016 chat room was quite civilized and respectful. It may take effort, but it seems doable if effort is taken :) But yeah, some statements of "fact" are not helpful, even if not outright offensive. | |
| Jan 9, 2017 at 15:59 | comment | added | Cascabel | @DVK I'd say both are significant problems: the obvious insults, and the casual statements of "fact." And even if the obvious things have been more common so far, part of my point is that if people try to solve it by being very rational, it may not actually help. | |
| Jan 9, 2017 at 15:49 | comment | added | DVK | @Jefromi - While you're correct in what you are saying, the issue for most part isn't accidental causing of offense when genuinely trying to discuss issues. It's deliberate insults, that frequently aren't even part of discussion in the first place (as in, they aren't replies to someone's arguments being disagreed with). | |
| Jan 9, 2017 at 15:24 | comment | added | Cascabel | The attempts to prove things, unfortunately, can be part of the problem: often two people may very deeply believe conflicting things, and both believe the facts are on their side, so sufficient explanation and proof will convince the other, and if it doesn't they must be wilfully ignorant. So even in attempting to be rational, people often quickly slip into causing offense. I agree in general, I just think being respectful in a fast-paced conversation is in practice a bit more complicated than this makes it sound. | |
| Jan 9, 2017 at 15:15 | history | answered | JeffC | CC BY-SA 3.0 |